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Who always carries a 240v NEMA adapter?

I'm an aspiring Airbnb host planning to rent out our family lake home, and am wondering whether simply providing a 240v outlet would be sufficient for most guests to charge from, assuming that they carry a NEMA adapter with them. I have a Model Y and always carry my adapter in the subtrunk area along with the rest of the charge kit, but do most owners?

I'm happy to invest in an actual NACS charger, but wasn't sure if having a 240v outlet available would be the most versatile option, or if its safe to assume that most people would have the appropriate adapter. Since I personally own a Tesla and NACS will be the standard moving forward, I would not install a CCS charger (even though most Tesla owners likely have that adapter).

Thanks for your thoughts!

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2024/05/13
17:31 UTC

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California CVRP only lists 2023 Tesla as eligible?

I know that the credit is on hold/out of funding, but there is a reason why this is important.

https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/en/eligible-vehicles

Looking at the list of eligible vehicles, you can see 2024 vehicles like "2024 Cadillac Lyriq" and "2023-2024 Hyundai Ioniq 6"

However, Tesla is listed as "2020-2023 Tesla Model 3"

Does this mean that the 2024 Model 3 does not qualify?

How about the Model Y? "2020-2023 Tesla Model Y" It didn't get refreshed.

13 Comments
2024/05/13
16:13 UTC

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Big Box Retailers Offer Charging Stations

Does anyone know if the there any plans for the big box stores to install charging stations? I would like to see the Costco or Sam’s club offer charging stations with low cost for charging like they do their gas prices.

I thought at be time Walmart was going to install charging stations but have not heard anything lately.

Whole Foods has charging station but one cannot use because non EV park in the parking space because it is close to the store’s door.

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2024/05/13
15:16 UTC

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Does anybody here know about the reliability of Chinese EV brands?

I've been binging content revolving around Chinese EVs and I gotta say, they are certainly very interesting. I would love to be able to either import one into to the US or try to buy one if I ever moved to a country in which they're being sold.

One thing I'm curious about, though, is reliability. A lot of Chinese EVs incorporate an absolute metric shit ton of electronics and unnecessary moving parts that add a lot of new potential points of failure to the car. Additionally, Chinese manufacturers do not have the same amount of experience building cars like brands like Toyota and Honda do, so I'd assume that would also affect potential reliability

Predictably, though, as an American, it's fairly hard to find information regarding the reliability of these cars. I know I've seen people say that BYD cars are pretty reliable and can be driven well into 6 figure mileage without much issue, but I've found next to no information regarding the reliability of other Chinese car brands. Are there any non-Americans here who've had experience with these cars and can speak on the reliability?

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2024/05/13
15:05 UTC

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Brush advancement & retardation

Alright guys, I went the oldschool route with a brushed forklift dc motor. It is an 8 inch pump motor that I used for converting a Smart Fortwo to a 5 speed manual & electric. However I can really seem to understand the brush timing issue. The motor draws very little amps at low rpm and has very little torque at low rpm. However once it reaches about 40% of its speed the amps and torque suddenly rush like an ICE engine. However for my application, I would require low rpm torque instead. Is the motor brush advanced so much that it only has speed and power at high rpm? Also, which way do you advance or retard brushes?

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2024/05/13
14:24 UTC

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Fast chargers in a city with a great AC infrastructure. When are they used?

In the city I live there is a very dense network of slow AC charging station (11kW-22kW) - it feels like there is always a one in a 200m radius. Despite that, there are a lot fast chargers built in the city center and by fast I mean 300kW. However, I am not using them because

  • while driving in a city I can park and charge, so AC charging is just part of parking: 0 overhead (and sometimes the fringe benefit of having a parking spot available)
  • AC is easier on a battery and AFAIK slower charging prolongs battery life
  • more expensive
  • when driving long distance prefer to charge on the road when battery level drops below 20% - charging is faster then

... so I wonder what the case would be for using those very fast chargers in the city with good AC infrastructure? Do they have any economic sense? Am I missing something obvious?

34 Comments
2024/05/13
13:28 UTC

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General Questions and Purchasing Advice Thread — Week of May 13, 2024

Need help choosing an EV, finding a home charger, or understanding whether you're eligible for a tax credit? Vehicle and product recommendation requests, buying experiences, and questions on credits/financing are all fair game here.

Is an EV right for me?

Generally speaking, electric vehicles imply a larger upfront cost than a traditional vehicle, but will pay off over time as your consumables cost (electricity instead of fuel) can be anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 the cost. Calculators are available to help you estimate cost — here are some we recommend:

Are you looking for advice on which EV to buy or lease?

Tell us a bit more about you and your situation, and make sure your comment includes the following information:

[1] Your general location

[2] Your budget in $, €, or £

[3] The type of vehicle you'd prefer

[4] Which cars have you been looking at already?

[5] Estimated timeframe of your purchase

[6] Your daily commute, or average weekly mileage

[7] Your living situation — are you in an apartment, townhouse, or single-family home?

[8] Do you plan on installing charging at your home?

[9] Other cargo/passenger needs — do you have children/pets?

If you are more than a year off from a purchase, please refrain from posting, as we currently cannot predict with accuracy what your best choices will be at that time.

Need tax credit/incentives help?

Check the Wiki first.

Don't forget, our Wiki contains a wealth of information for owners and potential owners, including:

Want to help us flesh out the Wiki? Have something you'd like to add? Contact the mod team with your suggestion on how to improve things, we can discuss approach and get you direct editing access.

9 Comments
2024/05/13
12:00 UTC

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Free $15 credit for EVGo using promo code “UBER24” for Earth Day

Can’t post image for proof as image posts are prohibited. Hope this helps someone today.

11 Comments
2024/05/13
07:04 UTC

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Formula for calculating electricity cost at home?

Since I bought an EV my landlord is asking me to pay extra for electricity, so I'm coming up with a formula to calculate the cost based on battery% charged. Can anyone double check to see if i'm missing anything?

Battery% used * battery in Kw = Kw used

Kw used * cost/Kwh = cost per charging session

So in my 2017 Kia Soul that has a 27kw battery, if I charge from 30%-80% with electricity cost of 9c/kwh:

.50 * 27kw * .09c = $1.20

One consideration though is the Soul has a 27kw battery, but since it has certainly degraded some over time how do I find out what the actual size of it is now?

Thank you!

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2024/05/12
19:17 UTC

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Mercedes chargepoint Bucees Temple, TX

I can’t seem to find any reviews on the new Mercedes fast chargers at the Buc-ees in Temple, TX. I drive a Ford Mach-E and curious if these could be a good alternative to my normal stop at the Electrify America chargers in Waco. Has anyone used these chargers yet?

8 Comments
2024/05/12
19:29 UTC

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How much amps EV car charger can my service panel support

Hi I recently bought a home and there is a 220v outlet in the garage for washer dryer. I’m planning for utilizing it for my EV charging. The 220v two breakers say 30 amp each. Does that mean 30 amp total or 60 amps total ?

Would even a 30 amp charger work here or do I need to upgrade the panel? This is for a non-tesla charger.

56 Comments
2024/05/12
20:39 UTC

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EV Battery Degradation and Charging

I'm curious to know, if I originally had a 100kwh battery that has degraded 10%. Does this mean a full charge will only take 90kwh of energy or does it still take 100kwh but I only get 90kwh out.

My guess is that when it degrades it only takes 90kwh of energy for a "full" charge. Would this also mean a "full" charge is faster? Am I wrong? And if I am right does anyone have a link to info about that.

Thanks

12 Comments
2024/05/12
20:39 UTC

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Model names worth bringing back

There are few names plates and models worth bringing back that fell out of use or were ICE only. I'm thinking of stuff like Spark or EV1 that could have a resurgence in the modern era. What names do you all think could make a come back or deserve a second go?

92 Comments
2024/05/12
20:26 UTC

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Ford transit kombi in the us?

Long story short the ford transit (specifically the kombi model) is probably the perfect match for my next vehicle. Unfortunately it's an EU model and I live in 'merica.

Is there any way to get a model from a different market? It definitely isn't common outside classic cars but is it just that it's an extra cost and a headache or is it fully illegal to attempt here in freedom land?

19 Comments
2024/05/12
20:18 UTC

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I bought the Cheapest EV in the UK & Ireland!

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2024/05/12
19:19 UTC

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Tesla FSD vs Mercedes Driver Assist! Is Mercedes really better?

9 Comments
2024/05/12
18:39 UTC

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2024 large PHEV analysis: large PHEVs expanding but still limited

Yesterday, Car & Driver released a new article "Are Plug-In Hybrids Finally Making Good on the Promise of the Best of Both Worlds?" discussing plug-in hybrid technology & every model available in the US market. There are many rounds-ups like this. Most PHEVs are small with mid-sized options growing a lot recently. Few round-ups focus on large vehicles, so here's a quick analysis of the current state of 3row PHEVs, focused mostly on the US market:

I believe the 2016 Volvo XC90 T8 plug-in hybrid was the very first 3-row PHEV available anywhere in the world. For many years it was the only one, and it & the Tesla Model X were the only 3row electric vehicles with plugs, globally.

Here we are ~8 years on & there are manyfold more choices for small & mid-sized EVs & PHEVs than the mid-2010s, and also now some more choices for large full EVs (eg Rivian joining Tesla's party). I couldn't find a round-up focused on 3row PHEVs so I decided to quickly analyze the breadth of offerings myself. Here's the report.

Things are going in the right direction, but only slowly for those who need to haul 6+ people & especially 7+, and especially for those who want/need AWD too, or good electric-only range, or a price tag that has fewer than 6 figures before the decimal point.

For many years since the original plug-in XC90 came out there were many models on the market that had available 3rd rows or available plug-in hybrid trims but the 2 things were incompatible (in most cases because the batteries took up space that was needed for a 3rd row). The Rav4 & Mitsubishi Outlander were 2 notable examples of this, and it's still an issue today for a few models (eg GLE, Range Rover).

  • Volvo XC90 is still going without a major redesign in all this time, but with a refresh that expanded electric range to ~33mi vs the original ~14. (Electric-only ranges vary by a few mi here & there depending on source, eg XC90 currently quoted as 32-35 depending on site, but I'm gonna drop the ~ meaning approximately below here. All numbers come from some reputable source & should be close.)
  • Minivan-sized Mazda CX-90 seats up to 8 but only goes 26mi electric-only.
  • Minivan-sized Lexus TX 550h+ has e-range of 33mi but seats only 6 as mid-row is only available as captain's chairs on the plug-in, whereas other non-plug-in TX models can seat 7.
  • Chrysler Pacifica is the only actual PHEV minivan, with 32mi e-range. It's available with as a PHEV or with AWD but those can't be had together currently, unlike all the AWD PHEV SUVs that make up the bulk of the rest of this list.
  • Toyota Sienna minivan is a hybrid, but not the plug-in sort despite Toyota adding plug-in versions to so many other models in its hybrid lineup. Like many other things, this seems like it's only a matter of time, but probably not before the next major redesign.
  • The recently announced refresh of the Audi Q7 (& Q8) seat 7 & can do 53mi all-electric with newly expanded battery packs, but don't seem to have any announced plans to come to the USA.
  • Mercedes GLE has a 450e PHEV version that does 48mi all-electric, or has an optional 3rd row, but they can't be had together.
  • BMX X5 has a plug-in version but the model dropped its 3rd row entirely in the last redesign.
  • Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe PHEV has only 2 rows.
  • Porche Cayenne E-Hybrid PHEV has only 2 rows.
  • Range Rover Sport P550e PHEV has only 2 rows.
  • Range Rover (non-sport) has a PHEV version (P550e) or an optional 3rd row, but they can't be had together. Notably, this is quite expensive compared to the others on this list.
  • Toyota Grand Highlander is the platform the Lexus TX is based on, but like the Sienna is not available as a plug-in version.

Note, most of the above SUVs unless noted as being minivan-sized are "mid-sized" with lengths around 195" (with the exceptions being Audi Q7 & Range Rover being a few inches longer, so between that size and typical minivan size). Thus, it's interesting that some have 3rd rows & some don't.

This is clearly more options for large PHEVs than existed in the middle of the last decade, but it's also clear that the number of choices for hauling a lot of carge or especially people, which is a huge number if powering only with gas, is much more limited if powering with a combination of electric & gas. That ratio is much greater for the large end of the market than for the 5 or fewer passenger end.

It will be interesting to see how much the PHEV market expands before being mostly replaced by full EVs, especially how the next 4-8 years (about 1-2 full redesign cycles for many brands) unfolds.

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2024/05/12
16:44 UTC

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Re:re:re Manual shifter for EVs ?

I’m putting ( re re re) in my title because I know there was already many discussions about this before and the general consensus was : EVs don’t need a gearbox, it’s just a gimmick and if you want a shifter just drive a real manual car.

But now that we’ve all seen those reviews of the Ioniq 5N and all the praises it got, isn’t the next step an OPTION for a clutch by wire and a shifter by wire ?

I think that that car already have all the software to enable that : the fake gears, the fake hard rev limiter, the fake clutch kick and the fake sound so IMO it’s perfectly doable.

At the end of the day you will still have your one pedal drive with adaptative cruise control and lane change assist etc…

I really can not imagine that other manufacturers won’t make their version of fake gears with all the praise the Ioniq 5N got so this technology will be improved !

We all know some "purists" will still call it fake and gimmicky but I really don’t care if it is because this OPTION is better than nothing and it’s just needs to be fun ! And it can be on your every day car !

And also I’m still waiting for some reviews of the Koenigsegg cc850 with its manual/auto gearbox which can also bring back shifters for ICE or hybrid cars.

So for me it seems like the "fun" and "affordable" manual won’t die ! And i’m adding fun because almost all new manual ICE cars right now feels like afterthoughts or just cheap option except for some sport models (mx5, gr86… and some really expensive Porsches).

What’s your take on this ?

Edit : for people against this : are you against the OPTION for the shifter or you are against all the he ioniq 5N gimmicks ?

Edit 2 : wow I think some people really didn’t understand that this OPTION can be disabled and you have a normal EV with a third "none functioning" pedal.

I really don’t understand why you are against an (once again) OPTION that can bring more people to EV

Edit 3 : Thanks for all your answers and takes guys !

Last edit : - seems like reddit only read titles (who could have guessed ?)

  • this option would only add a shifter by wire like in sim racing and a third pedal. Nothing mechanical beneath , AND ONCE AGAIN THE CAR ALREADY HAVE ALL THE SOFTWARE TO IMPLEMENT IT.
131 Comments
2024/05/12
16:26 UTC

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How important is an enclosure for an outdoor charger installation?

I’ve got a 48amp outdoor rated charger with a 60amp breaker on my outdoor panel ready to go. It will be mounted and directly wired within 2’-3’ of the panel.

Does it matter if it’s in a box if mounted against the house and under the drip line? I had one electrician do a quote and insisted it have an enclosure no matter where it was installed, others did not even mention it.

Edit: Thank you all for the support. I’m ready to get this thing on the wall and working. It doesn’t sound like it would be an immediate need. In the future I may have a nicer enclosure built around it to match the house. But it doesn’t sounds like a huge priority right off the bat.

17 Comments
2024/05/12
16:15 UTC

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